Number of crown rotations to fully wind an ingenieur automatic 40 or portofino moon phase 37

Does anyone know how many crown rotations it takes to fully wind the five-day mainspring in an ingenieur automatic 40 or a portofino moon phase 37?

They use calibres 32111 and 32800 which are in the same calibre family, but I guess the number of crown rotations could be different depending on the gear ratios between winding pinion, crown wheel, and ratchet wheel.