Especially when it comes to lume. I have older Seikos and older Citizens. I have recently purchased new watches from both brands.

My observation is that both brands are cutting corners, especially when it comes to lume. Whether it is thinner layers and fewer of them, or cheaper lume that isn't top tier as far as glow endurance, both brands are cutting corners. Yet they raise prices. A sad turn of events.

For example, my new Seiko Shogun doesn't glow as brightly or as long as my SKX173…

My Observation on the state of Seiko and Citizen